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the planet of the Masters almost surely

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this clearly made me something there

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beyond the realm of man

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that's true

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how's it going higher side chatters

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drinking a little drink smokin a little

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smoke from sunny San Diego I'm Greg Carl

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wood and today is a hell of a show

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because who doesn't love Laird Scranton

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he is the man when it comes to

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our past back together now I know the

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really the perfect guest to dive into it

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damn thing pack your glass and park your

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that Larry it's the place for me it's my

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all right higher side shatters we've

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more holes that are Dunkin Donuts well

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lucky for us today we have just such an

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amazing Laird Scranton in our midst

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Laird my man welcome to the higher side

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a qualified way with that and the

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buddhists flatly say they got theirs

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aliens navigated here from the Sirius

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multi-dimensional or perhaps contact

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potential bad effects that could happen

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at a remote location teach those eight

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safety so this is not like a really

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to anchor points of view that spawn

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what are essentially ancient Egyptian

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words which are very different languages

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wholesale from the other so the fact

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that they were match in the modern day

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very close match for what the Dogon are

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describing in the modern day means that

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both groups somehow managed to keep all

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the details of their system straight for

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now as a researcher I can look two ways

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think the point of view that well they

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kept all these other details straight

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matching ways with each other they both

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nonhuman source when they did or I can

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think the point of view that they kept

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that details straight also and that as a

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approach to all this but it is a bit

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challenging for some people to get their

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heads around the idea of non-physical

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entities manifesting on the physical

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plane for whatever reason but ancient

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texts and mythologies and religions they

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are just full of various strange gods

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and visitations from angels and other

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creatures and it seemed to be a lot more

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normalized perhaps there was a period of

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time where beans from the non-physical

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flipside of our reality crossed over

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much more easily and maybe that

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connection is weakened somewhat I don't

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know but is that a possible explanation

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that you entertain actually that is one

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of the

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possibilities that I explore and some

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upcoming books you know critics of this

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point of view will say well look if

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there really had been non human

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involvement with humanity why don't we

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have ancient other ancient cultures

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talking about this and the response to

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that is they're all talking about it

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every last one of them the Egyptians say

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flatly say they got their written

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language from gods who they didn't

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consider to be human pretty much every

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culture all around the world when they

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talk about ancient times is describing

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things that don't fit into our paradigm

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of what you would expect from normal

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human contacts mm-hmm so that that

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really is an argument against the point

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for me also the material that is being

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presented in this system of creation is

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pretty advanced stuff of the Dogon

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priests say that their symbols describe

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how their tribal God created matter and

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when I started researching the tribe and

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what they had to say um I could see that

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they had definitions of things like

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atoms and protons electrons and neutrons

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correct and they even had a drawing to

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go with the electrons that looks like a

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typical electron orbit mm-hmm so if they

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had those top two components right what

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were the chances that this descending

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structure that they were describing

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might also be correctly described and so

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I started educating myself about

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structure of manner you know reading

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Brian Greene and Stephen Hawking and

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popularizers of science and realize that

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you could set the dogon descriptions and

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they're drawing side by side with

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descriptions from Hawking and Greene and

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their diagrams and it's all the same

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stuff it's an intuitively a match for

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really starting up waves no matter in

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the form of waves all the way up to

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matter in the form of atoms that they

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have they have a reasonable perspective

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on each of the stages in between mm-hmm

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but the Dogon talk about things the

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Brian Greene and Stephen Hawking don't

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talk about they talk about how is it

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that a simple act of perception seems to

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be able to transform a wave into a

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particle or what is it that preceded the

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Big Bang and the formation of the

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universe and these are questions that

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because that the Buddhists and the Dogon

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systems are talking about these things

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there's some reason to think that

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someone who really knew what they were

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talking about was involved right those

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are big questions about the origin of

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everything and can you maybe go into I

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mean of course you gave us some details

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about the cosmology but maybe we can get

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into a little more and and really how

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you reconstructed it a bit because it

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seems fairly complex to do it's a pretty

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complicated thing to work with I have

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certain advantages

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having been a software designer well

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first of all I have a degree in English

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which gave me some perspectives in the

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language and I studied in school coming

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up to the ranks sort of a couple of

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other foreign languages I said it

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studied Spanish I studied German I

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converted to Judaism when I met my wife

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and studied some Hebrew and so I had

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some perspectives that were linguistic

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and some perspectives that were symbolic

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from writing software when I would write

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a program for a business one of the

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things I came to consider was how was

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the guy who follows me five years from

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now going to figure out what this

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program is about and there were certain

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techniques that I began to use so that

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whoever was who followed me maybe it was

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even going to be me five years later

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looking at my own program how was I

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gonna make it as easy as possible for

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them to figure out what I was talking

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about you know in math class when they

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talk about variables in algebra they

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train you to use X Y & Z as as variables

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which are not very informative as a

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programmer if you're writing a program

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that's supposed to process invoices for

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a business you want the invoice number

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to be named something that sounds like

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it reflects the concept of an invoice

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number or the invoice amount to have a

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field name that reflects that meaning

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well I could see that in the system the

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dogon we're talking about that someone

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had used those same techniques and that

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said to me that if I'm looking at a

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design system this is not an accidental

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system so knowing that it was designed

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gives you or at least coming at it from

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the perspective that it was designed

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gives you sort of a head start on trying

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to figure things out as time went on my

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field of study is called comparative

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cosmology

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right what that means is that I compare

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how different cultures understand the

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same symbol or the same myth or the same

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symbolic concept and so through these

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comparisons you gain ways of getting

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sort of three dimensional information

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about concept you don't necessarily know

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everything about at first in my case I

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have comparability of language between

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the Dogon language the yogic

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cosmological words and the Egyptian

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words so if the Dogon say that a certain

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words mean something I can go to an

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Egyptian hieroglyphic dictionary and see

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that same meaning reflected with a

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similar pronunciation there's another

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advantage the way the system is put

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together in that words don't carry just

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one meaning they carry multiple meanings

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to try to explain that in the ancient

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mindset when they talk about group

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processes of creation they're really

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talking about three things

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simultaneously they're talking about how

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the universe forms how matter forms and

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how biological reproduction happens and

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they see those processes as being so

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fundamentally similar to each other that

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they use a single progression of symbols

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to simultaneously describe all three and

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what that means is that when we ask

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about the meaning of a symbol we can't

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just say what does a hemisphere

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represent we have to say what does the

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hemisphere represent if we're talking

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about biological reproduction well in

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that case it represents a womb if we're

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talking about matter forming it

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represents the expansion of mass and so

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there's sort of parallel concepts here

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but enough different perspectives on it

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that you can now have a cluster of

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meanings to compare to another language

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and see if the other language hits the

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same sets of meanings when they do that

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you can argue that you have a firm

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correlation between two words that is a

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traditional linguistic correlation it's

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a correlation based on cosmological

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symbolism so that's one way of sorting

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this out is to comparison of language

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another way is through the comparison of

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how specific symbols are understood in

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different cultures the Dogon say this

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shape represents something I can go to

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Buddhism and see what they think that

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chambers

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or I can go I've now my series of books

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has now touched on traditions in Africa

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in Egypt in India Tibet China Turkey I

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have a book coming out in November that

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touches on northern Scotland and with

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each of these groups you have a language

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that applies and you have a tradition of

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myths and symbols that applies that you

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have comparability back and forth and so

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when you get three or four cultures

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agreeing on the meaning of a symbol

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you're on pretty firm ground to say that

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that's what the symbol means there's

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another perspective that is really

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hugely beneficial that it took me a

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while to catch on to these concepts of

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creation proceeded written language

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historically written language doesn't

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appear till around 3000 BC and it's

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traditionally understood that these

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symbolic concepts go back much much

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further than that they go back maybe as

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far as 12,000 years maybe even before

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that so it looks as if what was an oral

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tradition that the Dogon preserve that

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they don't have a written language that

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this oral tradition aspects of it were

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adopted to create the written languages

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so you have maybe 30 shapes that the

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Dogon describe that are matched by

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Egyptian glyph shapes that are used to

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write words matched in the shape and

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match to the meaning hmm and so I

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started exploring those and I realized

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that Egyptian words can be read a

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different way than is traditionally

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understood to give you an easy example

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for that there's an Egyptian word for a

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week like days of the week that's

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written with two glyphs it's written

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with the Sun lift which is a circle with

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a dot that can represent the concept of

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a day or it could represent the concept

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of the Sun and a second glyph that's an

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upside-down u that's the Egyptian

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number-10 I looked at that word written

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with those two glyphs and I said

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symbolically this has to me 10 days and

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so I went that I did some research and I

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discovered that the Egyptians ancient

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Egyptians had a 10-day week hmm now I

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didn't know that before I saw the

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symbols of the word but the symbols

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would have been enough if I had a

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perspective on this the symbols

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oan were enough to tell me that they had

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a 10-day week to correctly tell me turns

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out that pretty much all of the ancient

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Egyptian words work that way that if you

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know the right concept to substitute for

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the glyph you create a little symbolic

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sentence out of the glyphs of the word

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that explains to you what the word means

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now if you go to ancient China and you

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can positively correlate their written

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language because they had an ancient

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word for week that was written with a

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Sun glyph in the number 10 and they also

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had a 10-day week hmm now this is really

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interesting because you know at the risk

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of jumping all over the place here I

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have heard you also talk about the idea

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of the old calendars and the 360 days in

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a year instead of 365 and maybe

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something might have changed in our

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solar system in within human history

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which is so far off from what the

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mainstream would accept that what

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account for these changes is that kind

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of your contention yeah that will really

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apply more to when we talk about the

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Velikovsky book right the truth is that

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around 700 BC you see cultures all over

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the world who supposedly they weren't

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having regular contact with each other

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00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:06,640
all shift from a 360-day calendar that

552
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:08,770
they had had for thousands of years to

553
00:22:15,210 --> 00:22:11,530
or 365 day calendar all at the same

554
00:22:17,820 --> 00:22:15,220
historical moment now to my way of

555
00:22:19,860 --> 00:22:17,830
thinking if you can't point to an

556
00:22:21,930 --> 00:22:19,870
influence that caused them all to make

557
00:22:23,070 --> 00:22:21,940
that choice at that same moment the

558
00:22:24,810 --> 00:22:23,080
likeliest thing is that they were

559
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:24,820
responding to an actual physical change

560
00:22:30,030 --> 00:22:27,610
in the year wow man and the implications

561
00:22:31,770 --> 00:22:30,040
of that are pretty far out now I have

562
00:22:33,780 --> 00:22:31,780
talked to other researchers who

563
00:22:36,060 --> 00:22:33,790
recognize this change in the calendar

564
00:22:38,010 --> 00:22:36,070
systems that are more conspiratorial

565
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:38,020
minded who talk about religious

566
00:22:41,370 --> 00:22:39,850
authorities and ancient power centers

567
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:41,380
who made these changes to the calendar

568
00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:43,930
and official standards by force as a

569
00:22:48,300 --> 00:22:46,360
method of disrupting our connection to

570
00:22:50,850 --> 00:22:48,310
the earth or our natural rhythm and

571
00:22:53,610 --> 00:22:50,860
cycles thus making us easier to control

572
00:22:55,620 --> 00:22:53,620
a lot less epic explanation than a

573
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:55,630
drastic change in the solar system but I

574
00:22:59,340 --> 00:22:57,010
guess I should ask you if you entertain

575
00:23:01,740 --> 00:22:59,350
that to any degree or if the research

576
00:23:04,659 --> 00:23:01,750
does show that it was a physical change

577
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:04,669
how can we be sure I think

578
00:23:07,539 --> 00:23:05,809
looks to me like there was a physical

579
00:23:09,249 --> 00:23:07,549
change in the length of the year at that

580
00:23:11,859 --> 00:23:09,259
point time and there are all sorts of

581
00:23:15,249 --> 00:23:11,869
other effects at 700 BC that argue that

582
00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:15,259
that might be true for example every

583
00:23:22,180 --> 00:23:18,350
total eclipse of the Sun that happened

584
00:23:23,979 --> 00:23:22,190
since 709 BC we have computer programs

585
00:23:27,340 --> 00:23:23,989
that can verify it to the place and the

586
00:23:28,539 --> 00:23:27,350
day so we can calculate retrospectively

587
00:23:30,970 --> 00:23:28,549
when that Eclipse should have happened

588
00:23:32,499 --> 00:23:30,980
you know we should be able to do that if

589
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:32,509
the motions of the moon and the Sun and

590
00:23:35,619 --> 00:23:34,129
the earth are like clockwork

591
00:23:37,450 --> 00:23:35,629
then we should be able to calculate

592
00:23:39,879 --> 00:23:37,460
backward and prove that an eclipse

593
00:23:42,009 --> 00:23:39,889
happened there that day the problem is

594
00:23:44,409 --> 00:23:42,019
that we have all sorts of credible

595
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:44,419
researchers reporting total eclipses of

596
00:23:49,239 --> 00:23:46,850
the Sun prior to that time in all sorts

597
00:23:52,109 --> 00:23:49,249
of cultures not a single one of those

598
00:23:55,810 --> 00:23:52,119
reports can be verified mathematically

599
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:55,820
mm-hmm Laird I really love this kind of

600
00:23:59,109 --> 00:23:57,919
stuff and it does get a bit over my head

601
00:24:01,389 --> 00:23:59,119
and a bit hard for me to reach

602
00:24:03,009 --> 00:24:01,399
conclusions about but to play devil's

603
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,019
advocate for that conspiratorial

604
00:24:07,930 --> 00:24:05,600
position I mentioned or to invoke

605
00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:07,940
Occam's razor couldn't it be more likely

606
00:24:11,919 --> 00:24:09,769
that there was some meddling with those

607
00:24:13,570 --> 00:24:11,929
records rather than a huge disruption to

608
00:24:16,239 --> 00:24:13,580
the solar system on a time altering

609
00:24:18,639 --> 00:24:16,249
scale just a few thousand years ago well

610
00:24:20,979 --> 00:24:18,649
we could say that but the problem is

611
00:24:22,210 --> 00:24:20,989
that these same credible reporters who

612
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:22,220
are saying there was an eclipse here on

613
00:24:28,389 --> 00:24:26,090
this day those are the endpoints sort of

614
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:28,399
that we have to hit when they establish

615
00:24:31,810 --> 00:24:30,049
historical timelines for things the

616
00:24:34,749 --> 00:24:31,820
historians are routinely using those

617
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:34,759
reports as validation for their

618
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:37,129
historical perspective when we try to

619
00:24:41,619 --> 00:24:39,769
use those as validation for an

620
00:24:44,769 --> 00:24:41,629
astronomical perspective if we can't do

621
00:24:47,169 --> 00:24:44,779
it they do check out to some degree then

622
00:24:49,389 --> 00:24:47,179
well they they do I mean they get hedged

623
00:24:51,099 --> 00:24:49,399
yeah the person will say well it wasn't

624
00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:51,109
reported entirely accurately because it

625
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:52,190
was cloudy that morning and they

626
00:24:56,109 --> 00:24:54,470
couldn't actually see it or it wasn't

627
00:24:57,820 --> 00:24:56,119
really at this city where they said it

628
00:25:00,669 --> 00:24:57,830
happened it was really in the region of

629
00:25:04,060 --> 00:25:00,679
where this city was and and their ways

630
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:04,070
of fudging the account to present it as

631
00:25:09,399 --> 00:25:05,809
being reasonable when it was really okay

632
00:25:12,909 --> 00:25:09,409
now across that same boundary of 709 BC

633
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:12,919
we have a sudden unexplained change in

634
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:14,850
the rate at which

635
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:19,710
absorb ions and so radiometric dating

636
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,890
which is another tool that the

637
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:24,720
archeologists try to use doesn't work

638
00:25:31,310 --> 00:25:29,280
properly across that 709 BC boundary we

639
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:31,320
have major climate change that happened

640
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:33,930
at that same moment so dramatic enough

641
00:25:38,150 --> 00:25:36,120
that food products that were grown

642
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:38,160
agriculturally in China for thousands of

643
00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:39,510
years suddenly couldn't be grown there

644
00:25:44,300 --> 00:25:40,740
anymore Wow

645
00:25:46,550 --> 00:25:44,310
we have evidence in the ice core records

646
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:46,560
of major volcanic erupted affects at

647
00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:48,090
that moment in the geological history

648
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,470
for reasons they can't explain a lot of

649
00:25:57,650 --> 00:25:53,820
something really really big happened

650
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:57,660
around 700 BC and big enough to

651
00:26:02,570 --> 00:25:59,610
theoretically justify a change in the

652
00:26:05,420 --> 00:26:02,580
length of the year planet it wouldn't

653
00:26:07,790 --> 00:26:05,430
take a whole lot of movement of or

654
00:26:11,180 --> 00:26:07,800
change in the the motion of the Earth's

655
00:26:14,210 --> 00:26:11,190
orbit around the Sun to extend the year

656
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:14,220
by five days fair enough and thanks for

657
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,510
breaking that down you do make a great

658
00:26:20,810 --> 00:26:17,640
case and I'm more than open to that

659
00:26:22,610 --> 00:26:20,820
possibility but to hop back to the Dogon

660
00:26:24,710 --> 00:26:22,620
I've heard you discuss these ancient

661
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:24,720
cosmologies and how they predate written

662
00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:26,850
language and a point I really find

663
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:28,710
interesting is that based on your

664
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,450
research it seems like the cultures who

665
00:26:34,940 --> 00:26:32,880
developed written language have lost the

666
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:34,950
most from these teachers or have fallen

667
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,690
furthest from the original meaning and

668
00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,400
it does seem to be that way but that

669
00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:40,860
sounds almost backwards doesn't it yeah

670
00:26:44,060 --> 00:26:42,360
from our perspective my friend John

671
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:44,070
Anthony West talks about the Church of

672
00:26:50,180 --> 00:26:47,310
progress and the Church of progress in

673
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:50,190
his mind is the mindset that imagines

674
00:26:55,250 --> 00:26:52,770
that there has been this linear increase

675
00:26:57,140 --> 00:26:55,260
in human ability and knowledge you know

676
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:57,150
since ancient times it just keeps

677
00:27:00,890 --> 00:26:58,500
getting better and better and better and

678
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:00,900
better and better but there's lots and

679
00:27:03,950 --> 00:27:02,490
lots of reasons to think that that's not

680
00:27:06,770 --> 00:27:03,960
true there hasn't been a linear process

681
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,780
at all that in certain ways our

682
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:08,760
abilities have been declining it's easy

683
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:10,650
to imagine that the ancient Egyptians

684
00:27:15,140 --> 00:27:12,390
were more connected spiritually than we

685
00:27:18,230 --> 00:27:15,150
are to things that we are not really

686
00:27:19,970 --> 00:27:18,240
aware of so a lot of it depends on on

687
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:19,980
perspective but the truth is that the

688
00:27:23,420 --> 00:27:21,960
cultures that in my experience the

689
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,430
cultures that did the best job of

690
00:27:28,050 --> 00:27:25,740
keeping all of this information straight

691
00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:28,060
were the ones who didn't choose to

692
00:27:32,940 --> 00:27:29,680
and down they chose to pass it on

693
00:27:35,250 --> 00:27:32,950
through the symbolic system they had now

694
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:35,260
this system is you might imagine that

695
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:36,970
there's a long game of telephone being

696
00:27:42,780 --> 00:27:38,650
played and that meaning is not a change

697
00:27:45,930 --> 00:27:42,790
over time but that that's not that this

698
00:27:48,450 --> 00:27:45,940
is a highly mnemonic system to give you

699
00:27:50,220 --> 00:27:48,460
an example when my wife we were raising

700
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,230
our kids and they were very young we

701
00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:51,760
were considering going out to a County

702
00:27:55,860 --> 00:27:54,700
Fair but we thought now what happens if

703
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:55,870
we get separated from one of our

704
00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:57,970
children at the County Fair before they

705
00:28:01,380 --> 00:27:59,590
can read right before they really know

706
00:28:03,210 --> 00:28:01,390
their own address phone number how are

707
00:28:06,210 --> 00:28:03,220
they going to ever get reconnected with

708
00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:06,220
us if we got separated so we decided to

709
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:08,470
teach them to sing their address and

710
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:10,120
their phone number to the tune of

711
00:28:16,650 --> 00:28:14,650
children's songs hmm and so having done

712
00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:16,660
that even even the adult friends of ours

713
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:18,580
who heard the song and hear hear our

714
00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:22,090
address sung to the song always remember

715
00:28:26,460 --> 00:28:23,980
our address that from that point on it's

716
00:28:28,650 --> 00:28:26,470
a very effective means of teaching

717
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:28,660
information right to give you another

718
00:28:34,530 --> 00:28:30,850
example if I have to ask an average

719
00:28:37,500 --> 00:28:34,540
person what they feel the symbolism of

720
00:28:40,740 --> 00:28:37,510
an owl is many people will say they feel

721
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:40,750
that an owl symbolizes knowledge I point

722
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:42,610
out to them that that symbolism is at

723
00:28:50,100 --> 00:28:45,940
least 5,000 years old that symbolism is

724
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:50,110
so tenacious that somebody living today

725
00:28:54,450 --> 00:28:52,450
5,000 years later who has no knowledge

726
00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:54,460
whatsoever of the ancient culture that

727
00:29:01,380 --> 00:28:56,590
might have assigned that symbolism still

728
00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:01,390
knows the symbolism hmm that's amazing

729
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:04,360
man so to talk about the teachers a

730
00:29:08,430 --> 00:29:05,650
little bit what have you been able to

731
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:08,440
put together about the mission of these

732
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:10,630
teachers or the lesson plan and the

733
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:12,460
rollout I mean there seems to be a lot

734
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:14,290
there there has to be some logistics to

735
00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:16,690
it right absolutely there are all right

736
00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:18,520
you can put together certain pieces of

737
00:29:21,990 --> 00:29:20,680
what had to have happen some of the

738
00:29:24,420 --> 00:29:22,000
constraints that were on them at the

739
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:24,430
time okay looks like there was an era of

740
00:29:29,910 --> 00:29:27,100
instruction that happened around 10,000

741
00:29:33,030 --> 00:29:29,920
BC which is just after the end of the

742
00:29:34,650 --> 00:29:33,040
last ice age as an example one of the

743
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:34,660
first things okay if you imagine that

744
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:37,860
there are several goals to this

745
00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:40,480
instructional effort from a practical

746
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:41,920
level what they were trying to

747
00:29:47,490 --> 00:29:44,710
was help us take a step up in terms of

748
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:47,500
civilization and to put that more

749
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:48,970
practically they were trying to move us

750
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:50,740
from the role of hunter-gatherers to the

751
00:29:54,990 --> 00:29:53,530
role of farmers and so one of the main

752
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:55,000
things that was being taught was

753
00:29:59,160 --> 00:29:57,010
agriculture well one of the

754
00:30:01,230 --> 00:29:59,170
prerequisites for agriculture is being

755
00:30:04,170 --> 00:30:01,240
able to tell time being able to track

756
00:30:05,820 --> 00:30:04,180
seasons being able to know and be able

757
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:05,830
to predict when the plan to when to

758
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:08,110
harvest and things like that so one of

759
00:30:12,450 --> 00:30:10,690
the first exercises that was taught and

760
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:12,460
you see this in cultures all around the

761
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:15,880
world is a set of geometry that was used

762
00:30:20,820 --> 00:30:18,490
to align shrines to the cardinal points

763
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,830
to north south east and west what it

764
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:23,200
evolved was they imagined who I was

765
00:30:26,220 --> 00:30:24,850
teaching this didn't have access to

766
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:26,230
tools they were going to come in and

767
00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:28,210
teach a class with you can't tell them

768
00:30:34,830 --> 00:30:30,360
go down to your bookstore and buy

769
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:34,840
measuring tools so the geometry rests on

770
00:30:40,890 --> 00:30:39,010
an empty field and a stick and the stick

771
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:40,900
is planted vertically in the field and

772
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:44,110
then a line is measured that's twice as

773
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,350
long as the height of the stick a circle

774
00:30:53,490 --> 00:30:49,360
drawn around the stick and with using

775
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:53,500
that as a radius then the two longest

776
00:30:57,660 --> 00:30:55,810
shadows of the day cast by the stick the

777
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,670
one in the morning and one at night are

778
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,440
marked at the point where the shadow

779
00:31:04,890 --> 00:31:01,360
crosses that circle that surrounds a

780
00:31:06,900 --> 00:31:04,900
stick and those two points end up being

781
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:06,910
endpoints for a line that is

782
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:08,710
automatically he takes an orientation of

783
00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:09,520
east and west

784
00:31:17,340 --> 00:31:13,420
hmm because the Sun rises in the east

785
00:31:19,410 --> 00:31:17,350
now if you were to track that line every

786
00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:19,420
day of the year you would see it that it

787
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:21,220
moves very slowly back and forth across

788
00:31:26,370 --> 00:31:24,010
the circle at the equinoxes it passes

789
00:31:28,110 --> 00:31:26,380
through the stick and at the solstices

790
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:28,120
and it's moved as far away from the

791
00:31:32,970 --> 00:31:29,170
stick as that's going to before it

792
00:31:35,550 --> 00:31:32,980
starts moving back so this figure this

793
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:35,560
geometry gives visualization to the

794
00:31:40,890 --> 00:31:38,170
concept of a calendar it's also gives

795
00:31:45,630 --> 00:31:40,900
visualization to hours of the day it's a

796
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:45,640
sundial basically yeah okay so whoever

797
00:31:49,140 --> 00:31:47,590
was putting the system together realized

798
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:49,150
that they had to have a unit of measure

799
00:31:54,810 --> 00:31:52,210
that people could measure out the

800
00:31:55,539 --> 00:31:54,820
geometry works regardless of how big you

801
00:31:57,989 --> 00:31:55,549
are how small you

802
00:32:00,129 --> 00:31:57,999
measurement so all you really need is a

803
00:32:01,869 --> 00:32:00,139
relative unit of measure not in a

804
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:01,879
precise one so you don't need a

805
00:32:08,139 --> 00:32:04,610
standardized ruler with yardstick with

806
00:32:10,330 --> 00:32:08,149
three feet on it you need some method of

807
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:10,340
measuring that everybody can do mm-hmm

808
00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:11,899
and so what they came up with was the

809
00:32:16,479 --> 00:32:14,600
concept of the cubit and one definition

810
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:16,489
of a cubit is is the distance from the

811
00:32:20,979 --> 00:32:17,960
point of your elbow to the tip of your

812
00:32:23,229 --> 00:32:20,989
middle finger another definition is that

813
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:23,239
it's the average pace or step of a

814
00:32:29,049 --> 00:32:28,399
person so using just the tools they had

815
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:29,059
at hand

816
00:32:32,529 --> 00:32:30,799
you know the measurements of that a

817
00:32:34,749 --> 00:32:32,539
person's body can measure or they can

818
00:32:36,639 --> 00:32:34,759
measure with their body and a stick in

819
00:32:39,190 --> 00:32:36,649
an empty field they were able to create

820
00:32:42,909 --> 00:32:39,200
this geometry that has purpose when it

821
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:42,919
comes to agriculture damn I love it man

822
00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,350
but one criticism I have heard of this

823
00:32:50,259 --> 00:32:47,840
idea that a group of advanced beans or

824
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:50,269
cedars of knowledge had this campaign to

825
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:51,769
go around and bring up all these

826
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,809
primitive groups of people is that the

827
00:32:57,970 --> 00:32:55,519
advancements and developments of these

828
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,980
cultures are separated by hundreds or

829
00:33:01,570 --> 00:32:59,840
even thousands of years rather than

830
00:33:04,919 --> 00:33:01,580
being more in unison as you might expect

831
00:33:07,659 --> 00:33:04,929
from that suggestion is that not true

832
00:33:10,869 --> 00:33:07,669
that's a complicated question because in

833
00:33:12,460 --> 00:33:10,879
a lot of cases we don't have a coherent

834
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:12,470
set of records to be able to say that

835
00:33:17,049 --> 00:33:13,039
for certain

836
00:33:19,210 --> 00:33:17,059
happening at 10,000 BC and even in

837
00:33:22,989 --> 00:33:19,220
places like China events that happen at

838
00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:22,999
3,000 BC in China we only know based on

839
00:33:28,299 --> 00:33:25,309
textual reports are written down around

840
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:28,309
300 BC and so consequently in China

841
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:30,409
there's all sorts of academic dispute

842
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:32,840
about Quentin did they mean when they

843
00:33:35,859 --> 00:33:34,850
said that and how could we demonstrate

844
00:33:37,810 --> 00:33:35,869
that they're what they meant when they

845
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:37,820
said that because we had this huge gap

846
00:33:41,759 --> 00:33:39,919
in knowledge between when the thing

847
00:33:45,310 --> 00:33:41,769
happened and when there was written down

848
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:45,320
so even though we only have reports in

849
00:33:49,419 --> 00:33:47,600
China from 300 BC of a system of

850
00:33:51,700 --> 00:33:49,429
Agriculture called the well field plant

851
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:51,710
in China it's considered to be a

852
00:33:55,810 --> 00:33:54,320
theoretic plan even though they have

853
00:33:58,539 --> 00:33:55,820
some examples of it actually being put

854
00:34:01,330 --> 00:33:58,549
to use you go to the Dogon country in

855
00:34:03,789 --> 00:34:01,340
Africa and that exact same system of

856
00:34:05,649 --> 00:34:03,799
Agriculture had been unused for hundreds

857
00:34:08,609 --> 00:34:05,659
of thousands of years it's the official

858
00:34:12,129 --> 00:34:08,619
basis of Agriculture for the

859
00:34:14,050 --> 00:34:12,139
hmm well is there a way to prove this

860
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:14,060
idea maybe outside of what's been

861
00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:15,409
recorded maybe by looking at the

862
00:34:20,109 --> 00:34:18,230
environment or the soil to try to find a

863
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:20,119
genesis point that's the same across

864
00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:22,250
these cultures or any other way to

865
00:34:28,450 --> 00:34:25,550
further this case well there are ways to

866
00:34:30,970 --> 00:34:28,460
get at my book point of origin argues

867
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:30,980
that there's a very ancient site called

868
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:33,830
gobekli tepe in Turkey it's about a

869
00:34:38,859 --> 00:34:36,530
twelve thousand year old site and the

870
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:38,869
only evidence we have there is multiple

871
00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:41,330
sets of stone pillars set in circles

872
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:44,780
with carved images of animals and some

873
00:34:47,649 --> 00:34:46,970
symbols that nobody knows what the

874
00:34:51,099 --> 00:34:47,659
symbols mean

875
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:51,109
and so in my book point of origin I use

876
00:34:56,169 --> 00:34:54,290
various facets of language to

877
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:56,179
demonstrate what's likely to be true

878
00:34:59,560 --> 00:34:57,920
about this stuff now this is a

879
00:35:02,470 --> 00:34:59,570
fundamental problem in this field of

880
00:35:04,420 --> 00:35:02,480
study that for someone who comes out of

881
00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:04,430
a college environment where you're

882
00:35:09,370 --> 00:35:06,230
expected to be able to prove things to

883
00:35:11,050 --> 00:35:09,380
five decimal points that's not the case

884
00:35:13,570 --> 00:35:11,060
in this field of study in this field of

885
00:35:16,090 --> 00:35:13,580
study the most you're likely to be able

886
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:16,100
to do is demonstrate the likelihood that

887
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:19,790
something is true there really is very

888
00:35:24,370 --> 00:35:21,410
it's very rare that you can actually

889
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,380
prove that something is true right so

890
00:35:29,109 --> 00:35:26,240
what I try to do is I try to bring it

891
00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:29,119
down to as intuitive a statement or I

892
00:35:33,820 --> 00:35:31,940
said to it if it compares as possible so

893
00:35:36,690 --> 00:35:33,830
the person who looks at that comparison

894
00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:36,700
and sees one thing compared to the other

895
00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:40,070
understands simply by seeing it that it

896
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,369
must be a magic mm-hmm that's what I did

897
00:35:46,450 --> 00:35:44,960
with the science in arguing that's no

898
00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:46,460
good they're talking about real science

899
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:48,500
talking about structure of matter you

900
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:51,410
have so many different stages of how

901
00:35:55,330 --> 00:35:53,510
it's created that when you lay that

902
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:55,340
side-by-side with the science and you

903
00:36:00,099 --> 00:35:57,770
see intuitive matches all the way up to

904
00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:00,109
scale it becomes unreasonable to say

905
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:02,180
that it's not a match mm-hmm and I

906
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:03,890
thought that part was really fascinating

907
00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:05,990
like you talk about four level codes or

908
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:07,430
guidelines that help to unlock the

909
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:10,010
answer kind of like the earth wind fire

910
00:36:15,370 --> 00:36:12,830
water being four stages of matter that

911
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:15,380
really was kind of mind-blowing to me Oh

912
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:17,450
that'd be an interesting part of it now

913
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:19,730
you understand that me being a software

914
00:36:23,809 --> 00:36:21,660
designer as I'm looking at this system

915
00:36:25,339 --> 00:36:23,819
trying to understand it very often I

916
00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:25,349
would reach a stage where I'd say gee

917
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:26,849
you know if I had been the person

918
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,410
putting this together I would have

919
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:30,480
thought to do this or that but the other

920
00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:33,450
thing like the idea of you know creating

921
00:36:37,700 --> 00:36:35,730
symbols that that were intuitively

922
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,710
related to the thing they symbolize

923
00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:40,440
every time I reach one of those stages I

924
00:36:44,569 --> 00:36:43,230
would discover sure enough whoever put

925
00:36:46,430 --> 00:36:44,579
the system together actually did the

926
00:36:47,329 --> 00:36:46,440
thing that I had wished that if I had

927
00:36:50,750 --> 00:36:47,339
been putting it together I would have

928
00:36:52,130 --> 00:36:50,760
done for my own benefit almost to the

929
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:52,140
point that it looks enough like my own

930
00:36:57,620 --> 00:36:55,280
work that it's sometimes confusing to me

931
00:36:59,390 --> 00:36:57,630
to be to be looking at it but the

932
00:37:00,380 --> 00:36:59,400
symbols get so complicated and the

933
00:37:01,700 --> 00:37:00,390
meanings for the symbols gets

934
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:01,710
complicated enough that it's hard to

935
00:37:05,839 --> 00:37:03,710
track and so they give you these

936
00:37:06,380 --> 00:37:05,849
metaphors to be able to put things

937
00:37:09,049 --> 00:37:06,390
together

938
00:37:10,940 --> 00:37:09,059
the simplest one as you mentioned is the

939
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:10,950
four stage metaphor of water fire wind

940
00:37:17,150 --> 00:37:14,490
and earth now from the perspective of

941
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,160
creation of manner water represents the

942
00:37:24,010 --> 00:37:20,220
concept of waves fire is an act of

943
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:24,020
perception wind represents vibration and

944
00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:27,200
earth represents mass or matter mm-hmm

945
00:37:31,819 --> 00:37:29,670
so now as you're working with these

946
00:37:33,289 --> 00:37:31,829
systems if you come across a reference

947
00:37:36,049 --> 00:37:33,299
that's explaining things in terms of

948
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:36,059
water you can automatically infer that

949
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:37,770
they're talking about and the fact that

950
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:39,569
happens in the first quarter of this

951
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:43,500
process hmm there's another four stage

952
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:45,089
metaphor that's given in terms of the

953
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:46,770
animal kingdom it begins with the

954
00:37:51,309 --> 00:37:49,410
insects that it moves to fish than to

955
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:51,319
four-legged animals than to birds

956
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,089
well you look at the Egyptian deities

957
00:38:00,140 --> 00:37:57,119
who have animal heads and you realize

958
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:00,150
that Kepler who is the Egyptian God who

959
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:01,770
represents from my perspective the

960
00:38:05,900 --> 00:38:03,420
concept of non-existence coming into

961
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:05,910
existence that's a very very early stage

962
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:08,430
of creation he has the head of a dung

963
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:11,190
beetle which is an insect hmm when you

964
00:38:15,529 --> 00:38:13,410
talk about written language which is

965
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:15,539
more sophisticated concept it's

966
00:38:20,269 --> 00:38:17,730
something that metaphorically belongs at

967
00:38:22,579 --> 00:38:20,279
the last of the four stages of creation

968
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:22,589
the Egyptian god who is responsible for

969
00:38:28,579 --> 00:38:26,700
that has a head of a bird so using these

970
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:28,589
metaphors you you're provided with a

971
00:38:32,839 --> 00:38:30,150
method of interpreting without even

972
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:32,849
knowing roughly where the symbolism of a

973
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:34,770
particular Gyptian deity Falls based on

974
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:35,940
what kind of

975
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:38,950
right so this is super interesting

976
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:40,690
because when we look at ancient cultures

977
00:38:43,859 --> 00:38:42,190
you know the mainstream considers them

978
00:38:46,380 --> 00:38:43,869
so primitive and that they didn't really

979
00:38:48,539 --> 00:38:46,390
know things and the reason they talk in

980
00:38:50,309 --> 00:38:48,549
these symbols and allegories is because

981
00:38:52,140 --> 00:38:50,319
they just didn't have the proper

982
00:38:54,779 --> 00:38:52,150
understanding but the flipside of that

983
00:38:56,970 --> 00:38:54,789
could be that if an advanced culture is

984
00:38:59,490 --> 00:38:56,980
trying to come around and teach a more

985
00:39:01,289 --> 00:38:59,500
primitive culture these are the terms in

986
00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:01,299
which you teach like like we've been

987
00:39:06,779 --> 00:39:03,700
talking about and so it's not about the

988
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:06,789
limited understanding of people that are

989
00:39:12,450 --> 00:39:08,950
in these tribal situations but it's more

990
00:39:14,759 --> 00:39:12,460
about how do you transmit these concepts

991
00:39:16,289 --> 00:39:14,769
to them in the best way for them to

992
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:16,299
understand it like you might talk to a

993
00:39:20,670 --> 00:39:19,210
kid about where babies come from it

994
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:20,680
might be accurate but you're probably

995
00:39:24,569 --> 00:39:21,910
not going to get into the nitty-gritty

996
00:39:26,549 --> 00:39:24,579
details of sex so there's kind of a

997
00:39:29,099 --> 00:39:26,559
little bit of a switch there when you

998
00:39:31,289 --> 00:39:29,109
think about why these cultures talk in

999
00:39:35,249 --> 00:39:31,299
such allegory that's right

1000
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,259
also you imagine that if we went

1001
00:39:39,329 --> 00:39:37,839
someplace trying to teach a different

1002
00:39:41,730 --> 00:39:39,339
culture about things that we understood

1003
00:39:44,539 --> 00:39:41,740
we would start out trying to teach them

1004
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:44,549
in the way that was most natural to us

1005
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,680
now in order to understand the point I'm

1006
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,619
trying to get around to is there are

1007
00:39:53,609 --> 00:39:52,000
performance shows with dolphins that

1008
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:53,619
happen like in Florida at sea world

1009
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:56,170
ocean world places like that and in some

1010
00:40:00,120 --> 00:39:58,480
of these places the trainers will let

1011
00:40:02,069 --> 00:40:00,130
out the dolphins during the show to have

1012
00:40:03,749 --> 00:40:02,079
a period of sort of a freestyling time

1013
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:03,759
where they decide for themselves what

1014
00:40:07,529 --> 00:40:05,650
stunts they want to do or what Act you

1015
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:07,539
know what what the next thing is they

1016
00:40:12,509 --> 00:40:08,890
want to do for the entertainment of the

1017
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:12,519
audience now what happens is that two

1018
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:14,890
dolphins performing together will leap

1019
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:17,109
into the air and then dive under the

1020
00:40:21,900 --> 00:40:19,480
water and in the time it takes them to

1021
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:21,910
flip around and come back out leaping

1022
00:40:25,289 --> 00:40:23,710
out of the water again they're on the

1023
00:40:28,829 --> 00:40:25,299
same page with each other as to what

1024
00:40:30,269 --> 00:40:28,839
stunts they're going to perform now some

1025
00:40:32,099 --> 00:40:30,279
kind of communication is happening

1026
00:40:34,980 --> 00:40:32,109
between the Dolphins in that short

1027
00:40:36,569 --> 00:40:34,990
amount of time to get them on the same

1028
00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:36,579
page about that so the next stunt

1029
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:40,900
happens it's a yeah now what they're

1030
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:43,450
doing is they're using sound basically

1031
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:48,030
to create an image underwater

1032
00:40:51,820 --> 00:40:49,680
and that one of them uses sound to

1033
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:51,830
create the image that sees the image and

1034
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:54,030
basically they're creating a symbol and

1035
00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:56,010
they're using that symbol to communicate

1036
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:57,150
with each other as to what they're going

1037
00:41:00,700 --> 00:40:57,960
to do next

1038
00:41:03,050 --> 00:41:00,710
Wow there's a perspective from which

1039
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,060
symbolic language might actually be a

1040
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:04,800
more sophisticated method of

1041
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:07,770
communication then our written languages

1042
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:10,770
phonetic languages yeah I can see that

1043
00:41:14,660 --> 00:41:12,390
if you look at these Egyptian words

1044
00:41:17,180 --> 00:41:14,670
where there's a phonetic aspect to them

1045
00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:17,190
but there's also a conceptual symbolic

1046
00:41:21,110 --> 00:41:19,470
aspect to them very quickly someone who

1047
00:41:22,940 --> 00:41:21,120
works with these words realizes that the

1048
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:22,950
power lies with the symbolism not with

1049
00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:27,240
the phonetics yeah so what we may be

1050
00:41:32,450 --> 00:41:29,730
seeing in ancient times is not a

1051
00:41:33,410 --> 00:41:32,460
progression from a less of a scale

1052
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:33,420
language to a more sophisticated

1053
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:35,790
language but actually one from a more

1054
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,470
sophisticated language to a less

1055
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,260
sophisticated one and so the cultures

1056
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:42,000
that never developed written language

1057
00:41:47,930 --> 00:41:45,090
from our perspective we're sustaining a

1058
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,940
more sophisticated system interesting

1059
00:41:51,380 --> 00:41:49,500
it's so backwards to the way a lot of

1060
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:51,390
people think but it does make sense

1061
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:54,090
another thing I'm curious about is that

1062
00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:56,520
I get why these teachers would school

1063
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:58,920
the Dogon on agriculture and the

1064
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,570
structure of reality because these

1065
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,920
things are relevant to the Dogon

1066
00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:04,740
situation but why teach this African

1067
00:42:10,300 --> 00:42:08,730
tribe about Sirius a and B this gets to

1068
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:10,310
be complicated

1069
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:13,890
we have parallelism between three

1070
00:42:18,170 --> 00:42:15,570
symbolic themes at least three of them

1071
00:42:20,330 --> 00:42:18,180
how the universe forms how matter forms

1072
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:20,340
how biological reproduction happens and

1073
00:42:26,900 --> 00:42:24,210
so we know that biological reproduction

1074
00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:26,910
happens when I in forms part of

1075
00:42:30,610 --> 00:42:28,260
something from a man comes together with

1076
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:30,620
something with a woman to create an egg

1077
00:42:36,830 --> 00:42:34,650
well similarly we have a symbolic system

1078
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:36,840
that describes the universe is forming

1079
00:42:43,070 --> 00:42:40,290
from a cosmogonic egg and in the Dogon

1080
00:42:44,750 --> 00:42:43,080
mindset matter begins with something

1081
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:44,760
called the egg and of all it's a figure

1082
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:46,370
that looks like an Egyptian settlement

1083
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:49,680
so we have parallelism of the symbol of

1084
00:42:56,930 --> 00:42:54,060
the egg up and down the scale well this

1085
00:42:58,490 --> 00:42:56,940
parallelism means that any structure

1086
00:43:00,160 --> 00:42:58,500
that are describing for matter they also

1087
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:00,170
are going to describe a Coral

1088
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:01,880
- we have things happening of the

1089
00:43:06,090 --> 00:43:03,440
microcosm I think's happening in the

1090
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,100
back row Kazem to give you an example

1091
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,680
the first permanent structure of manner

1092
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:11,810
that gets created according to the Dogon

1093
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:14,330
this is a structure that exists at every

1094
00:43:19,780 --> 00:43:17,330
point in space at time can be thought of

1095
00:43:23,710 --> 00:43:19,790
as a little spiral a little vortex a

1096
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:23,720
little tiny like a whirlpool the

1097
00:43:29,250 --> 00:43:26,030
correlate to that in the macrocosm the

1098
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:29,260
one that is in our region of the

1099
00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:32,180
universe that we have immediate access

1100
00:43:37,870 --> 00:43:35,230
to if we want to know that's there is a

1101
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:37,880
spiraling birthplace of stars that's so

1102
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:38,450
faint

1103
00:43:42,850 --> 00:43:41,810
that that it's not obvious to us that

1104
00:43:45,340 --> 00:43:42,860
it's even sitting there

1105
00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:45,350
it's called Barnard's loop and it's a

1106
00:43:50,890 --> 00:43:47,150
spiral that centers on the belt stars of

1107
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:50,900
Orion and that loop that spiral is the

1108
00:43:57,370 --> 00:43:53,290
macrocosmic or led to this microcosmic

1109
00:43:59,560 --> 00:43:57,380
spiral the Dogon says exists now there's

1110
00:44:01,570 --> 00:43:59,570
a similar effect happening with Sirius

1111
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:01,580
that there's a structure that relates to

1112
00:44:07,690 --> 00:44:04,970
matter that's very important that is a

1113
00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:07,700
conceptual correlate to something that's

1114
00:44:13,660 --> 00:44:10,820
going on with the Sirius stars hmm and

1115
00:44:16,060 --> 00:44:13,670
so sirius becomes important in the

1116
00:44:18,220 --> 00:44:16,070
tradition because of that relationship

1117
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:18,230
between those two things trying to get

1118
00:44:22,780 --> 00:44:20,690
the details of what it is is books

1119
00:44:23,770 --> 00:44:22,790
lengths worth of material to try to

1120
00:44:27,010 --> 00:44:23,780
explain what it is

1121
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:27,020
but that's the easy answer is it's not

1122
00:44:31,390 --> 00:44:29,060
Sirius wasn't important to the Dogon

1123
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:31,400
because their teachers came from Sirius

1124
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,140
it's because there's a symbolic

1125
00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:34,880
relationship to Sirius that's very

1126
00:44:40,270 --> 00:44:37,880
urgent okay yeah I mean that makes total

1127
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:40,280
sense and then I assume robert temple's

1128
00:44:44,410 --> 00:44:43,070
interpretation he just might have I mean

1129
00:44:46,090 --> 00:44:44,420
he in hidden in the book it just seems

1130
00:44:48,700 --> 00:44:46,100
like a suggestion rather than a

1131
00:44:51,850 --> 00:44:48,710
conclusion well robert temple in

1132
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:51,860
fairness to him he was writing in 1975

1133
00:44:57,270 --> 00:44:54,650
and there was no english-language

1134
00:44:59,950 --> 00:44:57,280
translation yet for most of the

1135
00:45:01,360 --> 00:44:59,960
anthropological study on the Dogon there

1136
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:01,370
was a section of it that have been

1137
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:03,050
translated that he includes in his book

1138
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:05,720
but most of the details here which are

1139
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:07,490
really gold for me in terms of

1140
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:08,870
understanding what the Dogon are talking

1141
00:45:13,580 --> 00:45:12,170
about he didn't have access to so he was

1142
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:13,590
to a certain extent

1143
00:45:16,610 --> 00:45:14,970
being too shooted the dark a little bit

1144
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:16,620
in terms of figuring out what these

1145
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:19,080
things represented it's also complicated

1146
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:21,960
because the way the the esoteric

1147
00:45:27,260 --> 00:45:23,990
tradition here there's a tradition of

1148
00:45:32,450 --> 00:45:27,270
priests teaching students or initiates

1149
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:32,460
and that process requires the student to

1150
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:34,830
continue to ask pertinent questions to

1151
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:38,480
find out the actual truth of things and

1152
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:41,610
there's a deliberate abuse Gatien

1153
00:45:45,530 --> 00:45:43,230
deliberate misrepresentation that

1154
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:45,540
happens in the early phases of that to

1155
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:48,300
misrepresent what the real figure is or

1156
00:45:52,820 --> 00:45:50,130
a real meaning of as simple as so forth

1157
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,830
for example publicly the Dogon say that

1158
00:45:59,240 --> 00:45:54,900
their festival of Sirius happens every

1159
00:46:01,540 --> 00:45:59,250
60 years but in practice they make an

1160
00:46:04,610 --> 00:46:01,550
excuse every 50 years to hold it again

1161
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:04,620
hmm now your average person to live long

1162
00:46:09,530 --> 00:46:07,050
enough to realize there's deception

1163
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:09,540
happening here hmm but the purpose of

1164
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:11,460
the deception is to hide the fact that

1165
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:14,970
that period of the celebration reflects

1166
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:17,550
the orbital period of the stars it's a

1167
00:46:22,220 --> 00:46:20,100
50 year orbital period hmm they're

1168
00:46:26,270 --> 00:46:22,230
disguising and the inner meaning of

1169
00:46:28,270 --> 00:46:26,280
their tradition by misstating and so a

1170
00:46:29,870 --> 00:46:28,280
lot of the stuff that even the

1171
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:29,880
anthropologist the French anthropologist

1172
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:32,820
who studied the tribe you get you know

1173
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:35,130
more than about five years before the

1174
00:46:38,060 --> 00:46:36,720
end of their studies and the things

1175
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:38,070
they're writing in articles are not

1176
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:39,930
really right on the money in terms of

1177
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:42,840
what the doget really think it's only

1178
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:44,490
only when they get down to the end of it

1179
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,590
with the lead anthropologist was

1180
00:46:52,070 --> 00:46:49,200
actually initiated as Dogon tribes

1181
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:52,080
member that you start getting down to

1182
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:54,900
the actual meanings of things hmm now

1183
00:46:58,310 --> 00:46:56,820
that I love and I wonder how they came

1184
00:47:01,220 --> 00:46:58,320
up with such a system because that has

1185
00:47:03,260 --> 00:47:01,230
serious parallels to the way esoteric

1186
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,270
groups and secret societies operate and

1187
00:47:07,330 --> 00:47:04,560
preserve their knowledge with these

1188
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:07,340
levels of initiation and understanding

1189
00:47:14,300 --> 00:47:10,860
that's right that's true now there are

1190
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:14,310
larger symbolic reasons for that one of

1191
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:16,170
the things I'm constantly astounded with

1192
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:18,900
is every time I finish a book I think I

1193
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:21,330
finally got to the bottom of the

1194
00:47:24,860 --> 00:47:22,920
information here the symbolism whatever

1195
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:24,870
that there's no level deeper than this

1196
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,360
the Dogon say it's like peeling back

1197
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:29,280
skins of an onion that every time he

1198
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:31,170
went back there's another one there that

1199
00:47:36,500 --> 00:47:33,410
you didn't know was gonna be there well

1200
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:36,510
I'm continually astounded that things

1201
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:39,210
that I had no clue whatsoever had

1202
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:43,770
symbolic importance actually do things

1203
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,570
that were so large a choices that were

1204
00:47:50,660 --> 00:47:48,720
so broad that I couldn't imagine they're

1205
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:50,670
like the esoteric tradition itself there

1206
00:47:55,790 --> 00:47:53,490
is symbolic meaning to the way that

1207
00:48:00,350 --> 00:47:55,800
esoteric tradition works it represents

1208
00:48:02,810 --> 00:48:00,360
something yeah right on man also what

1209
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,820
can you tell us about serpent symbolism

1210
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:04,740
and its association with these teachers

1211
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:05,640
because that's a pretty interesting

1212
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,760
thread yes now as we talk about the

1213
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:10,440
concept of there being two universes

1214
00:48:15,350 --> 00:48:12,930
universes forming in pairs mm-hmm the

1215
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:15,360
Dogon actually say that they know of

1216
00:48:21,470 --> 00:48:18,480
seven pairs of universes are actually 14

1217
00:48:23,420 --> 00:48:21,480
universes hmm and that there's a sort of

1218
00:48:25,460 --> 00:48:23,430
a sibling relationship between a

1219
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:25,470
non-material in the material universe in

1220
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:28,950
every case now from their perspective of

1221
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:31,290
the archaic philosophies that describe

1222
00:48:37,370 --> 00:48:34,290
this stuff the non material universe has

1223
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:37,380
perfect knowledge but an inability to

1224
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:41,820
act the material universe has imperfect

1225
00:48:46,130 --> 00:48:44,370
knowledge but full ability to act now

1226
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:46,140
one way of understanding why that might

1227
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:48,930
be true is we have to go back to

1228
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:51,510
Einstein Einstein says that if you had a

1229
00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:54,540
team of astronauts who were traveling a

1230
00:48:59,570 --> 00:48:56,550
much closer to the speed of light than

1231
00:49:00,920 --> 00:48:59,580
we're traveling that their time frame

1232
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:00,930
would change their time frame will get

1233
00:49:06,050 --> 00:49:04,050
slower and the time that it took them to

1234
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,060
say lift a cup of coffee and take a sip

1235
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:07,920
I'd be the same amount of time that it

1236
00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:09,570
takes us to go through an entire day or

1237
00:49:13,340 --> 00:49:11,100
an entire week hmm

1238
00:49:15,350 --> 00:49:13,350
that there's a difference in time frame

1239
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:15,360
time slows down as acceleration

1240
00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:19,320
increases or as mass increases so when

1241
00:49:24,620 --> 00:49:20,550
you're talking about a non-material

1242
00:49:26,900 --> 00:49:24,630
universe a non-material universe that

1243
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:26,910
einstein's outlook implies that a

1244
00:49:31,460 --> 00:49:29,400
non-material universe exists in a time

1245
00:49:33,849 --> 00:49:31,470
frame that's much much more quick than

1246
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:33,859
oranges much much quicker than arson

1247
00:49:38,979 --> 00:49:37,249
so quick that things essentially

1248
00:49:40,569 --> 00:49:38,989
happened instantaneously things that we

1249
00:49:43,449 --> 00:49:40,579
think of a second time happen

1250
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:43,459
instantaneously imagine standing at the

1251
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,140
top of the Empire State Building with a

1252
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:47,839
camera and filming traffic going by and

1253
00:49:54,009 --> 00:49:50,329
then you bring your video back to your

1254
00:49:56,739 --> 00:49:54,019
computer and you speed it up video it'll

1255
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,749
reach a point where things that begin as

1256
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:58,640
individual vehicles traveling on a

1257
00:50:03,670 --> 00:50:02,180
street look like waves yeah and the

1258
00:50:05,259 --> 00:50:03,680
reason they look like waves isn't

1259
00:50:06,999 --> 00:50:05,269
because they're waves it's because it

1260
00:50:08,349 --> 00:50:07,009
seemed to be moving so quickly that they

1261
00:50:11,739 --> 00:50:08,359
look like waves to someone who's not

1262
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:11,749
moving that's that's sort of what's

1263
00:50:15,459 --> 00:50:13,190
happening here and if you imagine that

1264
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:15,469
the non-material side exists the

1265
00:50:21,370 --> 00:50:18,410
infinitely quick time frame there's no

1266
00:50:23,140 --> 00:50:21,380
opportunity to do something there's no

1267
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:23,150
moment to do something that you don't

1268
00:50:31,059 --> 00:50:25,609
have an interval of time long enough to

1269
00:50:32,979 --> 00:50:31,069
actually accomplish something so so

1270
00:50:34,749 --> 00:50:32,989
that's the outlook now one of the

1271
00:50:37,150 --> 00:50:34,759
symbols of the non-material side because

1272
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:37,160
of that wave effect is a serpent a

1273
00:50:43,779 --> 00:50:39,920
serpent moves in waves in the form of

1274
00:50:46,059 --> 00:50:43,789
waves so the serpent becomes symbolic on

1275
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:46,069
one level of the energy of an amateur

1276
00:50:50,529 --> 00:50:49,190
universe whereas the Sun like the

1277
00:50:53,529 --> 00:50:50,539
Egyptian Sun left the glyph that

1278
00:50:55,930 --> 00:50:53,539
represents the god raw in Egypt becomes

1279
00:50:58,359 --> 00:50:55,940
a symbol of the material side there

1280
00:51:00,039 --> 00:50:58,369
other symbols too but the serpent

1281
00:51:02,589 --> 00:51:00,049
symbolism of the connection to knowledge

1282
00:51:06,489 --> 00:51:02,599
the Garden of Eden and so on is all

1283
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:06,499
symbolic of this non material side hmm

1284
00:51:10,930 --> 00:51:09,170
the idea is the non material side can

1285
00:51:14,109 --> 00:51:10,940
see us we can't see them

1286
00:51:15,579 --> 00:51:14,119
the Dogon one of their well-known

1287
00:51:18,459 --> 00:51:15,589
practices is they carve

1288
00:51:20,650 --> 00:51:18,469
wooden masks that they use for festivals

1289
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:20,660
of enduring dances things like that and

1290
00:51:24,489 --> 00:51:22,609
then the symbolism of this mask is the

1291
00:51:26,469 --> 00:51:24,499
idea that the person behind the mask

1292
00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:26,479
could see you but you can't see the

1293
00:51:30,849 --> 00:51:27,529
person behind the mask

1294
00:51:32,140 --> 00:51:30,859
now another aspect of this the archaic

1295
00:51:34,809 --> 00:51:32,150
philosophies that talk about these

1296
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,819
universes is that there are routine

1297
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:36,319
attempts being made from the non

1298
00:51:42,130 --> 00:51:38,630
material side to communicate to the

1299
00:51:44,079 --> 00:51:42,140
material side yeah but that are so hard

1300
00:51:46,059 --> 00:51:44,089
for us to detect at the stage of

1301
00:51:47,790 --> 00:51:46,069
perception that we're at that they are

1302
00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:47,800
very subtle it can form

1303
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,190
vivid images and dreams or summaries

1304
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:53,440
perhaps it synchronicities yes what look

1305
00:51:58,920 --> 00:51:56,110
like coincidences to us or the odd

1306
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:58,930
behavior of animals or information is

1307
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:02,400
passed through clairvoyance yeah for

1308
00:52:06,270 --> 00:52:04,570
through things like the II Ching where

1309
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,280
you're able to divine meaning from

1310
00:52:11,550 --> 00:52:08,220
through a system of divination mm-hmm

1311
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:11,560
okay and so part of what's going on in

1312
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,330
the viewpoint of the archaic philosophy

1313
00:52:17,580 --> 00:52:15,040
is sort of it but I can look at it as a

1314
00:52:19,380 --> 00:52:17,590
game of charades where you have an

1315
00:52:22,110 --> 00:52:19,390
opportunity to have one clued somebody

1316
00:52:23,730 --> 00:52:22,120
and trying to entice them into saying a

1317
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:23,740
certain word to take a certain action or

1318
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:25,930
whatever that's kind of what I see going

1319
00:52:32,190 --> 00:52:28,170
on between these two universes is

1320
00:52:33,870 --> 00:52:32,200
ongoing routine attempts to induce an

1321
00:52:38,220 --> 00:52:33,880
action that the denominator is I can't

1322
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:38,230
take for itself based on a clue boom

1323
00:52:43,830 --> 00:52:41,410
well said man I love that idea and it

1324
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,840
also seems like magical rituals and

1325
00:52:47,970 --> 00:52:45,760
consciousness altering in general were

1326
00:52:49,470 --> 00:52:47,980
both a much bigger part of society in

1327
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:49,480
the distant past and maybe there's a

1328
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:52,330
sort of use-it-or-lose-it factor in this

1329
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:53,770
connection between the worlds which

1330
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,630
could explain why the link isn't as

1331
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:58,240
strong as it once was but maybe those

1332
00:53:02,970 --> 00:53:00,880
types of practices could relate to the

1333
00:53:05,220 --> 00:53:02,980
source for all these teachers and

1334
00:53:07,650 --> 00:53:05,230
cultures who had the magical rituals and

1335
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:07,660
who had really perfected the altering of

1336
00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:09,280
their consciousness maybe they all

1337
00:53:13,770 --> 00:53:11,950
tapped into a place where some non-human

1338
00:53:16,350 --> 00:53:13,780
intelligence gave them the same type of

1339
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:16,360
information it's a bit out there but

1340
00:53:20,900 --> 00:53:18,820
unseen forces do seem to have an effect

1341
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:20,910
in the world if you're paying attention

1342
00:53:25,590 --> 00:53:23,980
now what happens quickly happens for

1343
00:53:27,630 --> 00:53:25,600
people who are working in the field I'm

1344
00:53:29,250 --> 00:53:27,640
working I talked about the researchers

1345
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:29,260
and other authors and so forth is that

1346
00:53:33,900 --> 00:53:32,260
you very quickly come to learn that

1347
00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:33,910
there are things going on that we have a

1348
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:36,940
hard time explaining and sometimes these

1349
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:38,530
are very subtle things and sometimes

1350
00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:40,990
they're very very overt things when I

1351
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:43,270
was researching my first book I didn't

1352
00:53:46,350 --> 00:53:44,590
even know I was researching a book I

1353
00:53:47,550 --> 00:53:46,360
thought I was just keeping notes for

1354
00:53:49,950 --> 00:53:47,560
myself with what I was learning and

1355
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:49,960
tried to keep him organized but I was

1356
00:53:53,490 --> 00:53:51,610
following a Robert Temple for a blog

1357
00:53:55,590 --> 00:53:53,500
Rafi in his book the serious mystery and

1358
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:55,600
I reached a point where I realized there

1359
00:54:00,060 --> 00:53:58,210
was a particular textbook I needed but

1360
00:54:01,490 --> 00:54:00,070
this was before you could go online and

1361
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:01,500
search for an out

1362
00:54:05,900 --> 00:54:04,380
all right and so I had exhausted all the

1363
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:05,910
sources I knew about all the local

1364
00:54:11,150 --> 00:54:08,370
regional sources for for used books that

1365
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:11,160
nobody had the book and I had gone to

1366
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:12,570
new bookstores that they couldn't get

1367
00:54:17,330 --> 00:54:14,880
the book I had even gone to the bass or

1368
00:54:18,980 --> 00:54:17,340
college library to their interlibrary

1369
00:54:21,380 --> 00:54:18,990
loan service to see if they could borrow

1370
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:21,390
the book so that I could look at it and

1371
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:23,160
they couldn't get it for me and I

1372
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:25,350
finally came back to my wife Risa one

1373
00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:26,700
day and I said well it looks like I'm

1374
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:27,870
not gonna be able to get that book I

1375
00:54:35,540 --> 00:54:32,490
need so a few days later a box turned

1376
00:54:37,790 --> 00:54:35,550
out that on our back doorstep my wife

1377
00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:37,800
had an aging cousin who lived in Queens

1378
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:40,320
New York in a small apartment and every

1379
00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:42,470
so often he would get it in his head to

1380
00:54:47,390 --> 00:54:44,820
divest himself from a bunch of random

1381
00:54:50,900 --> 00:54:47,400
crap just to make some space in his

1382
00:54:55,190 --> 00:54:50,910
apartment and in this box you know you

1383
00:54:56,810 --> 00:54:55,200
had things like you know flags of Europe

1384
00:54:59,120 --> 00:54:56,820
public on flags of Europe or off

1385
00:55:01,880 --> 00:54:59,130
pamphlets in some place he visited or

1386
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:01,890
hot mitts for an oven or just a random

1387
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:04,080
set of crap but in among this random set

1388
00:55:13,580 --> 00:55:12,090
of crap was my book then now he along he

1389
00:55:15,590 --> 00:55:13,590
had no idea I was interested in the

1390
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:15,600
subject and when she asked him about and

1391
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:16,650
he couldn't even remember actually

1392
00:55:22,940 --> 00:55:20,730
having a copy of the boy now that's a

1393
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,950
very tangible outcome that you can you

1394
00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:25,200
can say this is a coincidence when I was

1395
00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:26,760
being caught science in elementary

1396
00:55:31,790 --> 00:55:29,070
school I had a teacher who presented

1397
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:31,800
very much like Michael Rennie in The Day

1398
00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:33,420
the Earth Stood Still this is the sort

1399
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:35,250
of guy he was very inspirational sort of

1400
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,340
guy and he said that at the point where

1401
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:40,440
you bump up against what looks like the

1402
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:42,690
third coincidence when you're studying

1403
00:55:46,340 --> 00:55:45,090
something that's the time when you need

1404
00:55:47,740 --> 00:55:46,350
to consider whether that might be

1405
00:55:51,020 --> 00:55:47,750
something else going on besides

1406
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:51,030
coincidence yeah so in this in the

1407
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:53,510
setting of this you know these mysteries

1408
00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:55,890
you're constantly bumping up to against

1409
00:55:59,720 --> 00:55:57,390
things that look like coincidences and

1410
00:56:02,360 --> 00:55:59,730
at some point you have to draw a line

1411
00:56:04,250 --> 00:56:02,370
and say that's too many coincidences I'm

1412
00:56:04,580 --> 00:56:04,260
sorry I don't believe that I don't buy

1413
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:04,590
that

1414
00:56:11,060 --> 00:56:08,160
coincidences in a row explain why this

1415
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:11,070
is the way it is no doubt no doubt

1416
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:13,500
that's amazing I love that kind of stuff

1417
00:56:18,229 --> 00:56:15,569
and seeing is how you have

1418
00:56:20,089 --> 00:56:18,239
such an interest in these cosmologies

1419
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:20,099
and the mindset of these types of

1420
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:21,359
cultures and how they got their

1421
00:56:26,059 --> 00:56:23,369
information have you considered going

1422
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:26,069
down a path of personal exploration

1423
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:28,650
within theagenes or ritual practices to

1424
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:31,369
try and maybe tap in a bit deeper to

1425
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:33,119
understand where they were coming from

1426
00:56:36,979 --> 00:56:33,839
or what they might have been

1427
00:56:40,009 --> 00:56:36,989
experiencing that's one way to go about

1428
00:56:42,589 --> 00:56:40,019
it there are like kabbalists references

1429
00:56:44,749 --> 00:56:42,599
that categorize different connections

1430
00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:44,759
different types of connections people

1431
00:56:49,549 --> 00:56:46,619
seem to have to this esoteric

1432
00:56:51,410 --> 00:56:49,559
information and how they get it you know

1433
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:51,420
the person who goes into a fainting

1434
00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:54,890
spell and has an epileptic seizure and

1435
00:56:59,269 --> 00:56:57,390
comes out of it with knowledge about

1436
00:57:01,309 --> 00:56:59,279
things they didn't have before there's

1437
00:57:03,199 --> 00:57:01,319
you know that the people who are using

1438
00:57:04,609 --> 00:57:03,209
the right psychotropic drug to get to it

1439
00:57:07,279 --> 00:57:04,619
and there are people who seem to learn

1440
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:07,289
about things in their sleep or all sorts

1441
00:57:11,509 --> 00:57:10,170
of different categories of mystics and

1442
00:57:14,029 --> 00:57:11,519
how they seem to come across this

1443
00:57:16,759 --> 00:57:14,039
information the category I seem to fall

1444
00:57:20,269 --> 00:57:16,769
into is one that's referred to as a pure

1445
00:57:24,039 --> 00:57:20,279
mistake this is a person who just

1446
00:57:26,269 --> 00:57:24,049
through the course of everyday life

1447
00:57:30,529 --> 00:57:26,279
seems to come up with insights that

1448
00:57:33,529 --> 00:57:30,539
relate to cosmological studies as needed

1449
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:33,539
mm-hmm and that's sort of the way it

1450
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:37,049
happens for me is that in really

1451
00:57:41,449 --> 00:57:38,910
interesting ways just before I wrote the

1452
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:41,459
book point of origin I thought I was

1453
00:57:45,319 --> 00:57:42,930
researching a half a dozen different

1454
00:57:46,939 --> 00:57:45,329
questions about language for different

1455
00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:46,949
people I knew and I thought they were

1456
00:57:54,890 --> 00:57:51,569
unrelated questions one morning I solved

1457
00:57:58,130 --> 00:57:54,900
all six questions within about an hour's

1458
00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:58,140
time and the resolution to those

1459
00:58:02,900 --> 00:58:00,599
questions involved an Egyptian

1460
00:58:04,699 --> 00:58:02,910
hieroglyphic word all six words came

1461
00:58:06,259 --> 00:58:04,709
from the same column of the same page of

1462
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:06,269
the Egyptian hieroglyphic dictionary and

1463
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:09,119
the seventh word is the word that opened

1464
00:58:15,259 --> 00:58:10,680
up the door for me for that book point

1465
00:58:18,109 --> 00:58:15,269
of origin the muse was opening yeah I

1466
00:58:20,089 --> 00:58:18,119
mean when things like that happened you

1467
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:20,099
sort of have to look at the process as

1468
00:58:26,180 --> 00:58:22,650
being at least a facilitated one if not

1469
00:58:28,370 --> 00:58:26,190
you know whatever yeah anybody who's in

1470
00:58:28,940 --> 00:58:28,380
this field of work has stories I was at

1471
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:28,950
a conference

1472
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:32,160
last summer a year ago a woman in front

1473
00:58:35,450 --> 00:58:33,930
of me sitting in front of me as I was

1474
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:35,460
listening to a presentation turned

1475
00:58:39,140 --> 00:58:37,290
around during a quiet moment that she

1476
00:58:41,780 --> 00:58:39,150
said asked if I would be willing to look

1477
00:58:43,730 --> 00:58:41,790
at a symbol for her I told her sure I

1478
00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:43,740
would be happy to so during the break

1479
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:46,470
she and her husband find me and they

1480
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:48,839
bring me two photographs two photographs

1481
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:51,720
of the same symbolic shape one of them

1482
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:53,970
had appeared suddenly on the window of

1483
00:58:57,770 --> 00:58:56,460
their house without explanation and the

1484
00:59:01,130 --> 00:58:57,780
second one had appeared on the

1485
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:01,140
windshield of their car same symbol and

1486
00:59:04,609 --> 00:59:02,700
they were afraid that this was a bad

1487
00:59:06,380 --> 00:59:04,619
sign or a bad omen they wanted me to

1488
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:06,390
basically reassure them that it wasn't

1489
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,609
well I can see that the shape was a

1490
00:59:12,470 --> 00:59:10,440
shape that I recognized from my doggin

1491
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:12,480
studies but I I wasn't aware of what

1492
00:59:17,270 --> 00:59:15,359
shape represented and so I went back

1493
00:59:21,319 --> 00:59:17,280
home after the conference and researched

1494
00:59:23,780 --> 00:59:21,329
and realized that the shape was pivotal

1495
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,790
it was the entry point to a whole other

1496
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:25,920
half of a question I had been busy

1497
00:59:31,690 --> 00:59:27,930
researching for a book and I had no idea

1498
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:31,700
even existed hmm when I told her that

1499
00:59:35,660 --> 00:59:33,930
initially it upset her even more to

1500
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:35,670
think that that was true that how did

1501
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:38,970
she bring me a shape that I needed and

1502
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:41,130
it seemed pretty bizarre I said look you

1503
00:59:44,599 --> 00:59:42,650
don't have to be upset by it I said

1504
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:44,609
imagine a friend you know a friend of

1505
00:59:47,990 --> 00:59:46,650
yours is going to a party need to get a

1506
00:59:49,339 --> 00:59:48,000
message to them you might send up with a

1507
00:59:50,750 --> 00:59:49,349
second friend who's going to the party

1508
00:59:52,730 --> 00:59:50,760
that's really all that's happened here

1509
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:52,740
from my perspective yeah sometimes a

1510
00:59:57,380 --> 00:59:54,210
person will bring me information at a

1511
00:59:58,940 --> 00:59:57,390
conference that I don't understand but

1512
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,950
when I researched it I realized that

1513
01:00:01,970 --> 01:00:00,420
it's in answer to a problem that

1514
01:00:04,819 --> 01:00:01,980
somebody else at the conference has also

1515
01:00:06,589 --> 01:00:04,829
brought me and so I end up sort of being

1516
01:00:11,089 --> 01:00:06,599
the conduit between two people that I

1517
01:00:13,430 --> 01:00:11,099
don't know oh man that is pretty wild

1518
01:00:15,500 --> 01:00:13,440
but I've heard so many people relay

1519
01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:15,510
similar experiences I think that's an

1520
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,790
area that mainstream materialists really

1521
01:00:22,130 --> 01:00:19,200
are gonna need to take a good hard look

1522
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:22,140
at and you're one of the Great's man you

1523
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:24,480
do some really deep work that I couldn't

1524
01:00:28,579 --> 01:00:26,490
even begin to tackle wouldn't know where

1525
01:00:29,930 --> 01:00:28,589
to start and it's really been a blast

1526
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:29,940
having here to talk about it would you

1527
01:00:33,079 --> 01:00:31,650
like to remind the good people about

1528
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:33,089
some of your previous work or where to

1529
01:00:37,819 --> 01:00:35,250
further scratch the Scranton itch if

1530
01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:37,829
they feel the need and sure okay my

1531
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:39,900
publisher is inner traditions and so

1532
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:42,420
they have a website inner traditions

1533
01:00:47,300 --> 01:00:45,180
and I have a page there Laird scram page

1534
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:47,310
author page where my books are listed

1535
01:00:51,710 --> 01:00:49,410
they have a relationship with Simon &

1536
01:00:54,290 --> 01:00:51,720
Schuster and so I also have an author

1537
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:54,300
page on Simon & Schuster com those are

1538
01:00:58,610 --> 01:00:56,610
the entry point places to try to try to

1539
01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,620
find out about my books but the books

1540
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,240
are everywhere you can find them on

1541
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:02,400
Amazon you can find them at Barnes &

1542
01:01:06,830 --> 01:01:04,860
Noble a lot of bookstores will carry one

1543
01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:06,840
or the other you know some combination

1544
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:09,480
of the books in stock there's a Laird

1545
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:11,910
Scranton dot-com website that's a fan

1546
01:01:16,130 --> 01:01:14,460
site but the contact form reaches me if

1547
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:16,140
someone wants to send me a message or

1548
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:20,130
I'm easily found on Facebook I joke not

1549
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:22,170
to mistake me for all the other Laird

1550
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:24,780
Scranton's on Facebook there aren't any

1551
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:29,550
others I was just in visited in Scotland

1552
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:30,660
and I was trying to convince them that

1553
01:01:37,550 --> 01:01:32,130
Laird was a title Dada

1554
01:01:40,460 --> 01:01:37,560
thanks very cool so much respect for you

1555
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:40,470
man thanks again for entertaining my

1556
01:01:45,860 --> 01:01:42,930
simple stoner questions no I appreciate

1557
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:45,870
if he was was very interesting you hit

1558
01:01:49,460 --> 01:01:47,850
the high points of all this stuff I

1559
01:01:51,830 --> 01:01:49,470
really appreciated right on right on

1560
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:51,840
mission accomplished then well keep

1561
01:01:54,980 --> 01:01:53,070
doing what you do out there all right

1562
01:01:57,860 --> 01:01:54,990
thank you very much you got it

1563
01:01:59,810 --> 01:01:57,870
sweet Jesus and hallelujah people I hope

1564
01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,820
you like that show I actually love

1565
01:02:03,380 --> 01:02:01,380
getting into the ancient stuff there's

1566
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:03,390
just so many mysteries and there's more

1567
01:02:06,890 --> 01:02:05,370
than enough evidence to know the story

1568
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:06,900
doesn't fit with what we're taught in

1569
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:08,970
school with what the history books show

1570
01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:11,190
there's a lot being covered up and we

1571
01:02:16,070 --> 01:02:12,840
really just don't know a goddamn thing

1572
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:16,080
and I had sort of forgotten about the

1573
01:02:21,650 --> 01:02:18,570
Dogon tribe until I had read Gordon

1574
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:21,660
white starships where he uses the fact

1575
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:23,370
that the Dogon had this seemingly

1576
01:02:28,580 --> 01:02:25,530
impossible information and some of it

1577
01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:28,590
being quite random as an example of

1578
01:02:33,170 --> 01:02:31,110
communication with non-human logic it

1579
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:33,180
gives us some strange pieces sometimes

1580
01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:35,850
it was also him who urged me to make

1581
01:02:40,010 --> 01:02:37,710
room for a question about the CIA

1582
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:40,020
stealing robber temples research but

1583
01:02:44,300 --> 01:02:42,420
based on what Laird said about the Dogon

1584
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:44,310
zone descriptions of their teachers they

1585
01:02:48,830 --> 01:02:46,770
definitely didn't seem human or all that

1586
01:02:50,570 --> 01:02:48,840
physical you know and when Graham

1587
01:02:52,340 --> 01:02:50,580
Hancock and I were talking about the

1588
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:52,350
Brotherhood of the man-bag or this

1589
01:02:57,350 --> 01:02:54,420
little bag symbol that is in the hands

1590
01:03:00,350 --> 01:02:57,360
of figures in Sumerian art Mayan art is

1591
01:03:03,530 --> 01:03:00,360
pretty widespread anyway he talks about

1592
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:03,540
that being an allusion to these culture

1593
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:05,790
Cedars which he considers to be advanced

1594
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:08,370
humans from after a cataclysm and what

1595
01:03:12,050 --> 01:03:10,020
struck a chord with me about that

1596
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:12,060
perspective was that he brought up the

1597
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:14,490
idea that we might be due for a

1598
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:16,290
cataclysm and what if such a thing

1599
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:18,330
happened today what if a meteor hit

1600
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,020
caused tsunamis a mile high knocked out

1601
01:03:27,110 --> 01:03:25,200
the grid imagine it gets pretty nuts and

1602
01:03:30,290 --> 01:03:27,120
maybe the surface is completely

1603
01:03:31,850 --> 01:03:30,300
inhospitable for even a hundred years it

1604
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,860
doesn't have to be forever Rockefeller

1605
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:33,660
only had prohibition for 10 and that's

1606
01:03:37,790 --> 01:03:35,130
all it took for a whole country to

1607
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:37,800
forget alcohol as a fuel but let's say a

1608
01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:40,350
hundred years or whatever just total

1609
01:03:44,420 --> 01:03:41,040
devastation

1610
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:44,430
Graham's point was who is this really

1611
01:03:48,860 --> 01:03:46,710
going to affect it would definitely

1612
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:48,870
destroy the Western world as we know it

1613
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:50,490
but would it really affect a tribe like

1614
01:03:55,340 --> 01:03:53,130
the Dogon assuming they could find

1615
01:03:57,950 --> 01:03:55,350
proper shelter they're not gonna miss

1616
01:03:59,660 --> 01:03:57,960
the Xbox's and the iPhones these

1617
01:04:02,510 --> 01:03:59,670
indigenous tribes aren't going to miss

1618
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:02,520
LA or New York or London or Japan they

1619
01:04:06,410 --> 01:04:04,410
don't even know these places exist now

1620
01:04:08,690 --> 01:04:06,420
in a lot of cases so the point is

1621
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:08,700
imagine this devastation you know our

1622
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:11,160
[\h__\h] is royally [\h__\h] up and let's

1623
01:04:15,050 --> 01:04:13,200
imagine a group of survivors from an

1624
01:04:16,460 --> 01:04:15,060
area like New York City makes it to some

1625
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:16,470
tribe in the jungles of South America

1626
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:18,330
and starts trying to teach them about

1627
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:20,940
this advanced knowledge from their lost

1628
01:04:24,290 --> 01:04:23,490
civilization could that have been what

1629
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,300
happened

1630
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:26,240
twelve thousand eight hundred years ago

1631
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:28,890
when the flood happened could remnants

1632
01:04:34,340 --> 01:04:31,830
of Atlantis as a placeholder name have

1633
01:04:36,410 --> 01:04:34,350
gone out to assess the damage of the

1634
01:04:39,050 --> 01:04:36,420
world met indigenous people and brought

1635
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:39,060
them up to a new level with any

1636
01:04:44,060 --> 01:04:41,730
information they had it does seem

1637
01:04:46,370 --> 01:04:44,070
possible but with all the integer news

1638
01:04:47,770 --> 01:04:46,380
and the emphasis on ritual spaces and

1639
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:47,780
just the widespread

1640
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:50,730
spirituality that they seem to have it's

1641
01:04:54,620 --> 01:04:52,560
also just as likely that they could have

1642
01:04:56,180 --> 01:04:54,630
all tapped into the spiritual plane in

1643
01:04:59,570 --> 01:04:56,190
the same way and gotten this information

1644
01:05:01,760 --> 01:04:59,580
and these ideas for their cosmologies

1645
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:01,770
you know when I talked to Gordon about

1646
01:05:06,620 --> 01:05:04,410
this his big contention is that many of

1647
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:06,630
these cultures did not all rise up at

1648
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:07,230
the same

1649
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:09,390
they didn't all develop agriculture at

1650
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:12,090
the same time so it's hard to say they

1651
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:14,609
were human beings from a previous round

1652
01:05:19,490 --> 01:05:17,490
of civilization and the spirit world

1653
01:05:20,810 --> 01:05:19,500
theory is more likely because cultures

1654
01:05:23,420 --> 01:05:20,820
could have accessed it at different

1655
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:23,430
times and the cultures that seemed to

1656
01:05:27,349 --> 01:05:25,530
have the strongest spiritual and magical

1657
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:27,359
practices seemed to be the most stable

1658
01:05:32,570 --> 01:05:30,240
and the most complex so there's that

1659
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:32,580
element I was also just reading about

1660
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:34,410
this argument that the moon was brought

1661
01:05:39,410 --> 01:05:36,810
into place by whatever caused the flood

1662
01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,420
that's a far-out idea - but unlikely

1663
01:05:44,390 --> 01:05:41,520
because I doubt they had projectors back

1664
01:05:46,070 --> 01:05:44,400
then but as confusing as really getting

1665
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:46,080
a beat on the past can be really

1666
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:47,640
understanding how the environment has

1667
01:05:52,099 --> 01:05:49,890
changed how humans have changed how and

1668
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:52,109
why we built these amazing ritual spaces

1669
01:05:56,540 --> 01:05:54,390
it's almost impossible for me to get my

1670
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,550
head around really restoring the right

1671
01:06:01,460 --> 01:05:59,520
context to the people of antiquity it is

1672
01:06:04,070 --> 01:06:01,470
amazing though and it's so fun to get

1673
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,080
into and another thing I would say is I

1674
01:06:08,090 --> 01:06:06,720
did go camping in the Grand Canyon a

1675
01:06:09,650 --> 01:06:08,100
couple weeks ago and you know these

1676
01:06:11,570 --> 01:06:09,660
pictures where you can see like an

1677
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:11,580
entire arm of the Milky Way

1678
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:14,460
I was actually far enough out there and

1679
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,740
the sky was clear enough to actually see

1680
01:06:21,349 --> 01:06:19,200
that for the first time it's really nuts

1681
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:21,359
to think that ancient people saw the sky

1682
01:06:26,030 --> 01:06:24,540
like that every night I don't even know

1683
01:06:28,070 --> 01:06:26,040
how they would focus on specific

1684
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,080
constellations in the sky that full I

1685
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:29,760
mean sure we can point out the Big

1686
01:06:33,650 --> 01:06:32,250
Dipper and Orion's belt now because

1687
01:06:36,050 --> 01:06:33,660
that's really all you can see if you're

1688
01:06:38,180 --> 01:06:36,060
near a big city but it was a real

1689
01:06:40,190 --> 01:06:38,190
amazing sight whether I was looking at

1690
01:06:41,990 --> 01:06:40,200
billions of Suns millions of light years

1691
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:42,000
away or some glitter stuck on the roof

1692
01:06:47,060 --> 01:06:44,790
of our prison planet I can't say but it

1693
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:47,070
was sick I guess what I'm trying to get

1694
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,200
at is treat yourself you know go camping

1695
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:50,880
at the Grand Canyon anybody can get

1696
01:06:54,830 --> 01:06:52,380
three days away from the machine with a

1697
01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:54,840
little planning right but anyway big

1698
01:06:59,120 --> 01:06:57,150
thanks to Laird he brought some amazing

1699
01:07:00,800 --> 01:06:59,130
stuff to the table check out his books

1700
01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:00,810
let him know you like the show and it

1701
01:07:04,970 --> 01:07:02,550
was worth it's time to be here

1702
01:07:07,280 --> 01:07:04,980
check out the new website at the higher

1703
01:07:10,070 --> 01:07:07,290
side chats com get yourself a free

1704
01:07:12,410 --> 01:07:10,080
week's trial of THC plus it would mean a

1705
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:12,420
whole lot to me I'm trying to make this

1706
01:07:18,260 --> 01:07:15,359
like a real professional kind of company

1707
01:07:19,700 --> 01:07:18,270
show thing and the new website and

1708
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:19,710
graphics are a step in the right

1709
01:07:23,019 --> 01:07:20,150
direction

1710
01:07:25,630 --> 01:07:23,029
and I think and I'm so fortunate to be

1711
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:25,640
doing well with this I know so many of

1712
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:28,130
our own guests are really struggling so

1713
01:07:33,099 --> 01:07:30,529
I'm not complaining at all and I'm not

1714
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:33,109
going to pretend to be desperate but I

1715
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:35,690
do try to put together a solid product

1716
01:07:39,789 --> 01:07:37,130
for your education and your

1717
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:39,799
entertainment and I keep that bar low at

1718
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:42,680
five dollars a month just to make sure I

1719
01:07:46,779 --> 01:07:44,450
got enough to keep doing what I want to

1720
01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,789
do without stressing out the wallets of

1721
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,559
the listeners I think it's a fair

1722
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,200
compromise and stability is important

1723
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:52,880
but I hate this part of every show I

1724
01:07:57,670 --> 01:07:55,609
listen to I'm sure you feel the same so

1725
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,680
let's just knock it off and say I've

1726
01:08:01,690 --> 01:07:59,000
done my part

1727
01:08:07,740 --> 01:08:01,700
your move cosmology crafters and culture

1728
01:08:18,579 --> 01:08:13,510
oh no you see

1729
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:18,589
the world isn't random it's attached to

1730
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:25,270
power strength control over everything

1731
01:08:32,710 --> 01:08:30,290
the 95 is trying to steal yeah now don't

1732
01:08:40,990 --> 01:08:32,720
that job seemed silly

1733
01:08:45,410 --> 01:08:41,000
hello can hear me why should I play back

1734
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:45,420
and some spy agency which we were

1735
01:08:58,380 --> 01:08:54,099
I'll be thankful when it's exposed to

1736
01:10:02,379 --> 01:08:58,390
the fancy there's such a difference

1737
01:10:15,220 --> 01:10:09,850
oh no they're cartoons it's so typical

1738
01:10:23,129 --> 01:10:15,230
of me to talk about that stuff I'm sorry

1739
01:10:27,340 --> 01:10:23,139
that's good and well did you ever hear

1740
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:27,350
argument the nothing really happens it's

1741
01:10:33,650 --> 01:11:57,320
it's done

1742
01:11:57,330 --> 01:12:22,460
there

1743
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:47,850
gee

1744
01:12:51,729 --> 01:12:50,169
hey guys thanks for listening to the

1745
01:12:54,069 --> 01:12:51,739
first hour of the higher side chats

1746
01:12:56,140 --> 01:12:54,079
podcast with me Greg Carl wood if you

1747
01:12:58,509 --> 01:12:56,150
don't know there is a second hour to all

1748
01:13:00,220 --> 01:12:58,519
the episodes we do around here generally

1749
01:13:01,959 --> 01:13:00,230
we're able to get a lot deeper into the

1750
01:13:04,209 --> 01:13:01,969
topics and ideas that a guest is about

1751
01:13:07,089 --> 01:13:04,219
so if you enjoyed what you've heard from

1752
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:07,099
THC for free consider signing up at the

1753
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1754
01:13:13,569 --> 01:13:11,269
second hour of the 5 shows I put

1755
01:13:15,490 --> 01:13:13,579
together each month I never really

1756
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:15,500
wanted to be a paid subscriber podcast

1757
01:13:19,180 --> 01:13:17,210
but I really hate the idea of spending

1758
01:13:21,279 --> 01:13:19,190
airtime promoting some product that's

1759
01:13:22,959 --> 01:13:21,289
completely unrelated and telling you the

1760
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:22,969
best way to support the show is to buy

1761
01:13:27,609 --> 01:13:25,730
an audio book or new underwear by mail

1762
01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:27,619
or something crazy like that so instead

1763
01:13:31,450 --> 01:13:29,960
if you like the show double your time

1764
01:13:33,669 --> 01:13:31,460
with it for five bucks a month and let's

1765
01:13:35,290 --> 01:13:33,679
cut out all the other [\h__\h] it's half the

1766
01:13:37,060 --> 01:13:35,300
price of a movie ticket and you get at

1767
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:37,070
least an extra five hours of show a

1768
01:13:41,470 --> 01:13:39,679
month collectively it keeps us stable

1769
01:13:43,089 --> 01:13:41,480
and it frees me from wasting your time

1770
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:43,099
with anything but the show you came to

1771
01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:45,650
listen to it's really the only way for

1772
01:13:49,419 --> 01:13:47,630
an independent one-man show to make it

1773
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:49,429
and I do what I can so that it's worth

1774
01:13:53,620 --> 01:13:51,650
your while since we started this I've

1775
01:13:55,660 --> 01:13:53,630
always tried to use the subscriptions to

1776
01:13:58,209 --> 01:13:55,670
improve the podcast and make signups

1777
01:14:00,129 --> 01:13:58,219
more advantageous it started with just a

1778
01:14:01,779 --> 01:14:00,139
second hour for the main show but now

1779
01:14:03,850 --> 01:14:01,789
we've got a nice forum going where

1780
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:03,860
people can get deeper in conversation

1781
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:05,570
about the episodes with other listeners

1782
01:14:10,290 --> 01:14:08,480
submit a candidate in the guest request

1783
01:14:12,220 --> 01:14:10,300
thread or share their own personal

1784
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:12,230
projects to get out of the soul-crushing

1785
01:14:17,049 --> 01:14:14,480
nine-to-five cog in the wheel life on

1786
01:14:18,729 --> 01:14:17,059
the entrepreneurs thread the forum in

1787
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:18,739
the Plus comments are always the first

1788
01:14:22,689 --> 01:14:20,449
places I try to go for listener

1789
01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:22,699
engagement but it does get harder as the

1790
01:14:26,890 --> 01:14:25,070
show gets more popular because of that

1791
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:26,900
there's also a direct messaging feature

1792
01:14:31,209 --> 01:14:28,369
that you can use to reach me through the

1793
01:14:32,830 --> 01:14:31,219
plus site also well beyond the forum if

1794
01:14:34,990 --> 01:14:32,840
you like any of the music I've used for

1795
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:35,000
THC most of it I've hired artists to

1796
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:36,800
make and I provided all as free

1797
01:14:40,509 --> 01:14:39,050
downloads to plus members too so if you

1798
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:40,519
like a particular song you've heard

1799
01:14:45,009 --> 01:14:42,710
close the show out recently come get the

1800
01:14:47,049 --> 01:14:45,019
mp3 I should also mention that if you

1801
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:47,059
don't like the idea of paying $5

1802
01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:49,400
recurring every month I get that you can

1803
01:14:53,919 --> 01:14:51,590
buy three months six months or a year

1804
01:14:55,660 --> 01:14:53,929
upfront and just be done with it I have

1805
01:14:58,240 --> 01:14:55,670
plenty of listeners who send checks and

1806
01:15:00,279 --> 01:14:58,250
money orders to the PIO box too I try to

1807
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:00,289
make it as easy for people as I can and

1808
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,530
you can

1809
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:02,000
read more about it on the signup page

1810
01:15:06,430 --> 01:15:04,730
also be sure to check out the FAQ help

1811
01:15:08,050 --> 01:15:06,440
page on the plus site if you have any

1812
01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:08,060
questions or concerns about how to

1813
01:15:12,340 --> 01:15:09,980
listen to a password-protected show on

1814
01:15:14,260 --> 01:15:12,350
your devices I've highlighted a lot of

1815
01:15:16,690 --> 01:15:14,270
great solutions and one of those would

1816
01:15:19,390 --> 01:15:16,700
be the iPhone app that just recently hit

1817
01:15:21,550 --> 01:15:19,400
the Apple App Store a super kind and

1818
01:15:23,380 --> 01:15:21,560
talented listener made it for us and you

1819
01:15:25,540 --> 01:15:23,390
can use it to stream or download either

1820
01:15:28,510 --> 01:15:25,550
the free or the plus show if you're on

1821
01:15:30,100 --> 01:15:28,520
Android I'd use pocket casts or podcast

1822
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:30,110
addict and subscribe to the feed

1823
01:15:35,380 --> 01:15:32,690
manually that way I also try to throw an

1824
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:35,390
occasional bonus shows or QA shows and

1825
01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:37,370
I've got a few other weird ideas I might

1826
01:15:41,470 --> 01:15:39,560
get to try out soon but I give you all I

1827
01:15:43,150 --> 01:15:41,480
can for five bucks and I hope you'll at

1828
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:43,160
least give it a shot if you've listened

1829
01:15:46,630 --> 01:15:44,870
to a few free shows and you find them

1830
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:46,640
unique or valuable I know there's a lot

1831
01:15:50,590 --> 01:15:48,440
of podcasts out there and I'm just one

1832
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,600
of them but if you have any questions

1833
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:52,400
concerns or comments about any of this

1834
01:15:54,940 --> 01:15:53,840
please get in touch with us at the

1835
01:15:58,150 --> 01:15:54,950
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1836
01:15:59,560 --> 01:15:58,160
team @ gmail.com I also wanted to plug

1837
01:16:01,480 --> 01:15:59,570
the higher side newsletter I'm going to

1838
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:01,490
be putting out totally free for anyone

1839
01:16:05,020 --> 01:16:03,050
who wants to sign up at the main

1840
01:16:06,610 --> 01:16:05,030
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1841
01:16:08,500 --> 01:16:06,620
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1842
01:16:10,270 --> 01:16:08,510
you can also get on that email list

1843
01:16:12,610 --> 01:16:10,280
through the higher side chats Facebook

1844
01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:12,620
page there's a button there as well but

1845
01:16:16,570 --> 01:16:14,060
the reason I'm doing this is because I

1846
01:16:18,430 --> 01:16:16,580
get tons and tons of emails after a show

1847
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:18,440
goes up asking me about how I feel about

1848
01:16:22,150 --> 01:16:20,570
a particular guest or topic and the

1849
01:16:24,070 --> 01:16:22,160
wrap-up isn't always the best place to

1850
01:16:26,110 --> 01:16:24,080
do that especially if I have anything

1851
01:16:27,970 --> 01:16:26,120
negative to say sometimes the dust needs

1852
01:16:30,460 --> 01:16:27,980
to settle sometimes I need to hear

1853
01:16:32,020 --> 01:16:30,470
feedback from you guys first there are a

1854
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:32,030
lot of factors but I usually have

1855
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:33,650
something to communicate to you and I

1856
01:16:36,970 --> 01:16:35,090
just don't get to do it

1857
01:16:38,590 --> 01:16:36,980
so on the first of the month I plan to

1858
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:38,600
send out a little newsletter with my

1859
01:16:41,980 --> 01:16:40,130
thoughts about the five shows the

1860
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,990
previous month and talk to you about

1861
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:44,000
anything else that's on my mind or

1862
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:46,370
that's going on and what's probably most

1863
01:16:49,930 --> 01:16:48,290
enticing is that I'm gonna give you some

1864
01:16:52,270 --> 01:16:49,940
insight into at least one guest I have

1865
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:52,280
coming up in the month which people have

1866
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:54,260
been begging for some posted schedule

1867
01:16:58,450 --> 01:16:56,480
for a long time I personally think I'd

1868
01:17:00,250 --> 01:16:58,460
like the surprise but sign up for the

1869
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:00,260
higher side newsletter it's free it

1870
01:17:03,370 --> 01:17:01,850
comes out on the 1st of the month and I

1871
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:03,380
won't waste your time with any other

1872
01:17:07,810 --> 01:17:06,170
emails and that's it I appreciate you

1873
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:07,820
listening I try to give alternative

1874
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:09,980
ideas and guess a fair shake on a high

1875
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:12,370
quality podcast expose some deep level

1876
01:17:16,419 --> 01:17:14,420
conspiracies without the yelling

1877
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:16,429
and I hope to offer some inspiration

1878
01:17:19,810 --> 01:17:18,170
that even though the system relentlessly

1879
01:17:22,270 --> 01:17:19,820
suggests you should follow their

1880
01:17:24,010 --> 01:17:22,280
blueprint to mediocrity you can do your

1881
01:17:25,959 --> 01:17:24,020
own thing and live a much happier life

1882
01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:25,969
despite all the negativity in the world